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Posted: 08 October 2006 11:42 PM
I tried Parallels but Vista will not recognize the network adapter. This is supposedly fixable with the Parallels Tools disc, but that did not come with the beta version I have. So no luck there.
Otherwise Parallels runs Vista reasonably well, but with no 3D gfx support and no Aero. It’s a little stuttery, but I can actually run it at a higher resolution than my iMac.
I’m now installing it via Boot Camp. This is a last resort. At first Boot Camp wouldn’t partition because my disc needed repairing. This “repair” stuff, while it works easily and effectively in OS X occurs far too often for my liking.
So system disc repaired, I am now in the middle of the installation and it’s going really, really slowly. So slow that I think the machine has locked up after such a long delay and then it finally moves on to the next one.
Not sure if that’s because it’s Vista or not, but it definitely installed faster in Parallels.
My thoughts so far? When Parallels adds full 3d gfx card support, Boot Camp will be completely unnecessary.
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Posted: 09 October 2006 01:14 AM
Windows installed using Boot Camp will ALWAYS be faster than Windows running under Parallels Desktop, whether it’s really noticeable or not depends on what you’re wanting to use Windows for. Parallels Desktop has to co-operate with Mac OS X for access to resources, etc. while Boot Camp allow you to install a normal full version of Windows. For serious gamers, Boot Camp is probably going to be the only answer.
I’m not sure if the problems with fixing disks is caused by Mac OS X or is simply falling quality control / hardware faults at Apple itself. My main client has had to get that hard drives replaced in three of their (at that stage) six iMacs and those computers started off using Mac OS 9 - one of them definitely failed before Mac OS X was being used.
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Posted: 09 October 2006 01:15 AM
So I’m now running RC1 successfully in dual-boot. And it is zippy. Recognized everything so no need to install drivers yet, not that the XP drivers from BC would work anyway.
I’ve even successfully installed the software I need for my project.
Haven’t explored around yet, but Aero is damn nifty. The translucent windows are nice. They are ultimately just eye candy but they are effective eye candy. Navigation is a bit different and will take some getting used to.
The security so far ranges from really annoying to just OS X-like annoying. You have to approve EVERY change and all new software. So far however it’s just a click of a button instead of a password. Don’t know if that’s more secure, less, or the same as OS X.
I’ve only partitioned 32GB since I plan to use it on a limited basis, but I’m definitely ruling out getting any more PC hardware for now (subject to change), as long as I can run Windows on my Mac. And I will strongly consider buying a stand-alone version of Vista when it’s released.
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Posted: 09 October 2006 01:43 AM
Buzz Bumble - Oct 09, 2006 01:14am Windows installed using Boot Camp will ALWAYS be faster than Windows running under Parallels Desktop, whether it’s really noticeable or not depends on what you’re wanting to use Windows for.
In my case, just the basic OS is far zippier in BC. That’s to be expected of course, but it’s a level of magnitude difference. And Aero doesn’t work at all in Parallels, although I hear tell that a future release of Parallels will utilize full 3d support.
My main client has had to get that hard drives replaced in three of their (at that stage) six iMacs and those computers started off using Mac OS 9 - one of them definitely failed before Mac OS X was being used.
Well my HDD is about 3 months old, so I’m going to be a little peeved if it has to be replaced already. The repair finally worked, but I had to boot from my OS X DVD to do it.
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Posted: 09 October 2006 12:09 PM
Beeblebrox - Oct 08, 2006 11:42pm I tried Parallels but Vista will not recognize the network adapter. This is supposedly fixable with the Parallels Tools disc, but that did not come with the beta version I have. So no luck there.
Otherwise Parallels runs Vista reasonably well, but with no 3D gfx support and no Aero. It’s a little stuttery, but I can actually run it at a higher resolution than my iMac.
I’m now installing it via Boot Camp. This is a last resort. At first Boot Camp wouldn’t partition because my disc needed repairing. This “repair” stuff, while it works easily and effectively in OS X occurs far too often for my liking.
So system disc repaired, I am now in the middle of the installation and it’s going really, really slowly. So slow that I think the machine has locked up after such a long delay and then it finally moves on to the next one.
Not sure if that’s because it’s Vista or not, but it definitely installed faster in Parallels.
My thoughts so far? When Parallels adds full 3d gfx card support, Boot Camp will be completely unnecessary.
Why did you get an iMac anyway, I thought you were split on the Mac vs. Pc issue? And how does Vista run at a higher res, doesn’t Mac OS X run at the highest possible res?
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Posted: 09 October 2006 12:36 PM
Frozonecold - Oct 09, 2006 12:09pm Why did you get an iMac anyway, I thought you were split on the Mac vs. Pc issue?
I like both. Why would that preclude me from getting an iMac?
And how does Vista run at a higher res, doesn’t Mac OS X run at the highest possible res?
It turns out they run at the same rez, the native rez of the monitor. 1680x1050. That was my mistake.
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Posted: 09 October 2006 01:01 PM
Did you try downloading Release Candidate 2 of Windows Vista? Also, is this the Core 2 Duo iMac? I’m curious as to how the 64 bit version will run on it…
(OK, you’re probably less of a tinkerer than I am...)
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Posted: 09 October 2006 01:41 PM
I’ve heard that RC2 breaks a few things/apps so I’m holding off on that for awhile. I have the apps I need running really well so far, so I’m not in a position to experiment. The whole reason I did this is because the motherboard on my PC died.
I have the Core Duo, not 2. As far as I know, it’s 32-bit. Not sure if the 64-bit version will work.
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Posted: 09 October 2006 10:44 PM
Beeblebrox - Oct 09, 2006 12:36pm Frozonecold - Oct 09, 2006 12:09pm Why did you get an iMac anyway, I thought you were split on the Mac vs. Pc issue?
I like both. Why would that preclude me from getting an iMac?
And how does Vista run at a higher res, doesn’t Mac OS X run at the highest possible res?
It turns out they run at the same rez, the native rez of the monitor. 1680x1050. That was my mistake.
I just thought that you would want both a new Pc and a new Mac then. Btw: we have the same iMac. 
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Posted: 10 October 2006 12:41 AM
Frozonecold - Oct 09, 2006 10:44pm I just thought that you would want both a new Pc and a new Mac then. Btw: we have the same iMac.
Ah, I see. I already had my iMac, which is obviously more high end hardware than I really want to spend right now in a PC. My next computer purchase will be a Macbook Pro, so I’m saving my coins for that.
I decided to install BC and Vista since both are free. My laptop is my main Windows computer right now, and I use Vista as a workstation pretty much like I did with my previous PC.
My current plan is to get a new copy of Vista when that comes out. I’ll most likely get a new PC as a stand-alone workstation at some point down the road, but there are no definite plans.
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Posted: 10 October 2006 12:44 AM
So here’s a weird thing. I have about 6 external USB drives attached to my iMac. Ever since installing BC, it takes FOREVER to boot into either Windows or OS X. The first time I thought my machine had totally died, just a white screen. Even the boot disc didn’t work. It does EVENTUALLY boot, either to the dual-boot screen or right into Windows.
But when I detach the hard drives, it boots in a snap.
Anyone experienced this?
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Posted: 10 October 2006 01:27 AM
Just a guess, but are you sure you’ve got the correct startup drive chosen?? It sounds like the Mac is searching through the drives trying to find one to boot from.
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Posted: 10 October 2006 01:31 AM
That’s definitely a possibility. When I boot up, it starts up in Vista by default instead of OS X.
How do I fix this?
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Posted: 10 October 2006 04:05 AM
Nevermind. I found it under System Settings. Haven’t tested it yet though to see if solves the issue. Update soon.
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Posted: 10 October 2006 08:09 AM
Apparently we do not have the same Mac Beeble, I have a Core 2 Duo with 256mb vram.
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Posted: 10 October 2006 12:26 PM
Frozonecold - Oct 10, 2006 08:09am Apparently we do not have the same Mac Beeble, I have a Core 2 Duo with 256mb vram.
Well rub it in why dontcha?
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