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Damn Chris! you need to get out and get some sun dude! That is some white skin bud! Krreagan

There are many things about Apple to bitch about... Just not anything this topic is concerned with. As you have indicated! they need to be held accountable for their mistakes/short-cuts and I agree. But these are not the subject of the disccussion. What you have put forth, software upgrades/updates pricing, is nothing but bitching for ignorance sake and nothing more! Trying to expand this topic beyond the initial subject is disingenuous and shows the weakness of your initial argument by incorrectly presuming that I believe that Apple can do no wrong. Typical! MS was convicted of illegal monopolistic activities/business-practices. Apple, to date has not! and in this country (USA) there is a _presumption_ of innocence! Especially during an on-going investigation! But then you seem to disagree with this philosophy as you have put forth this fact as a means of proving me incorrect, which it does not! I happen to support the ideal of a presumption of innocence which you apparently do not! Krreagan

[QUOTE] krreagan, do you have evidence it is only iPod touches without the update that Apple has cut the price on? And therefore evidence the price will be going up again once the back stock clears? [/QUOTE] I was talking about the Amazon and others price drop, not Apples. How are the likes of Amazon to know about the upgrade it has not been made public before MW. Therefore the iPods in stock have 1.1.2 loaded on them. [QUOTE] I got no issue with a $20 upgrade fee, because you are right, you are buying new applications for your touch. [/QUOTE] Then stop whining about it! The updates for the iPhone and AppleTV add revenue streams for Apple. The iPod touch updates add functionality! [QUOTE] What I’ve got a problem with is it being charged when on the same day, iPhone and Apple TV users get their significant upgrades free. [/QUOTE] They are completely different updates! Completely different applications and different platforms! iPhone revenues are mostly from the monthly fees generated from AT&T;(in the US). There is no such revenue stream for the iPod Touch. Likewise the Apple TV (which I own) revenues will be from movie rentals and purchases on iTunes. And yes the iPod Touch will be able to rent and purchase these as well but I assume that Apple would have given the iTunes.app away iff it was the only new app in the update. Apple does not want the Apple TV to go to waste as it has been this last year! The updates to Apple TV are almost all revenue generating updates for Apple, Same with the iPhone, The iPod Touch however is not going to generate any revenue from any of the apps, except for the iTunes.app which I would imagine is going to be very small as most people will purchase items on their computer first and then transfer to the iPod. And has been pointed out, the update costs Apple money in the form of royalties to the company that supplies the data for the "locate me" functionality! [QUOTE] This is the crux of the argument that those who are supporting Apple refuse to acknowledge. [/QUOTE] Because it is an argument based on ignorance of the situation! IMHO and not one based on the expectations of a company in business to make money! [QUOTE] And instead they resort to putting words in our mouth (saying we want Apple to slow down its upgrade cycle - which of course is nothing like what we are asking) and name calling (whiners). [/QUOTE] That is the effect that will happen if Apple listens to the ones complaining (whining)! Regardless if it is your intent or not! [QUOTE] Personal attacks are no argument at all. Totally invalid. If I call you a koolaid drinking fanboy (which I’m not), does that mean I’m winning the argument? [/QUOTE] Neither am I! But I do get sick and tired of hearing complaints that Apple is doing what everybody wants them to do... Lower the price on technology and expand its usefulness! [QUOTE] But let me try another analogy It would be like if Apple said it would provide the extra apps it’s supplied with MacBook Pros and Mac Pros to all Mac owners but at a small price. Plus there’d be this new feature “Z”. Woohoo! We’d all be excited. But then imagine if Apple came out and said it would be supplying some other new apps for Pro owners along with the new feature “Z"- and it would all be free. Don’t you think non-Pro owners would feel more than a little ripped off? [/QUOTE] And where's Apples revenue stream in your example??? this _is_ the crux of the issue!!!!! Apple is giving away the razor (iTunes apps, Apps to rent and purchase media) and charging for the blades (the media). This is what it is all about! [QUOTE] That’s exactly what Apple’s done with the touch vs iPhone & Apple TV upgrades. Different rules for different users. " [/QUOTE] Different rules for different REVENUE generating apps! Krreagan

Chris, The ones being sold at a discount don't have the update yet! That's why they are selling for a reduced price! So _they_ will get it all for the original price! Get your pitch forks and torches and lets all head for Cupertino! :) TBM

Hadley, Out of curiosity, why was OSX not an option for hosting Apple Matters? I've been thinking of getting an old G4 PowerMac and moving my home server to that system (currently on FreeBSD). I've checked and all the apps that I use are availble for OSX (Qmail, Courier-imap, Apache, Squirrel-Mail ...) I realize your app package is much different, but what kept you from using OSX? Krreagan