Are you sure that MPEG4-2 can play at high definition sizes? Sorry - let me clarify - are you sure the AppleTV can play those? (I know the format handles it).
The specs page says that it can only play 3Mbps, at 720 by 432 & 30fps. Of course... the specs page might be wrong anyway (since MPEG4-2 should be EASIER for the AppleTV to decode!) and doesn't say what resolution MPEG4-2 is okay at 24fps.
I've never actually tried.
One mistake in the article - if you download a TV show in High Def, then the free iSquint will make the resolution lower.
One extra mention for the article - if you convert to MP4 but not H264, conversions of your files run much quicker. Can't do HD this way though.
I like the AppleTV, but it needs expandability. It would be great to allow plugins - ranging from extra video codecs to "dashboard-like" applications. If Apple wants to stay on-side with the networks, then something simple like allowing access to the network streaming videos would be an interesting start.
Yeah, fix the product first, then the perception. Then again I haven't used Vista so perhaps it is fixed... perhaps never broken... maybe for me it's all about the perception.
Anyway... I thought the Mojave experiment set a terrible tone for Vista. The Seinfeld ads may have gone somewhere useful, but I'm sure that cancelling after 2 ads removed any benefit. The latest "I've been stereotyped" I kinda like.
On to Vista and it's issues....
The more I look at what Microsoft did with Vista, the more I understand what Apple has said about Snow Leopard. Microsoft wanted to break from the past with Vista with some fundamental underlying changes that built for the future - and they also wanted to redefine this amazing new system. So people jumped to the amazing new system and their software wasn't ready, their hardware wasn't supported, they didn't have enough ram. All things that I'm assuming are fixed right about now.
Perhaps Apple has been watching and learning. When Apple jumps to their new underlying system it will not look any different to Leopard. Apple won't push anyone to change. People with appropriate hardware and software will change to get the 64bit speed increase. It's a nice 'soft' release... and a year down the track can be the foundation for something far more functional.
The only problem I have with my thoughts is that I'm not sure what substantial underlying rebuild could be big enough that Apple might prefer to hide it. New file system (distributed?/in the cloud?/object based?/database?/zfs?)? - perhaps an entirely online model? (or where our local machine is only ever a snapshot of our master online data).
DRM'd apps? I run out of ideas.
I think Chrome using Webkit is a great thing. Webkit is also based on open source, it's designed to allow multiple providers... that's not a bad thing at all.
Anyway - Chrome gets Webkit into more user and developers' hands, and Webkit is being used in Android too. It's a significant movement in where attention will focus, and Apple & Google are both following a related strategy for web-application development.
All that said - I'll probably end up continuing to use Safari & Firefox. But I'm a Mac user, and I don't think we're Google's main target by a long shot, since I think that as long as we're using Webkit (and thus supporting this alternative to Microsoft) then Google is happy.
So Steve, you're saying that you think Apple wanted/want to become Sony and Microsoft - and that's what they're becoming - and that they are afraid that if they license the OS they will lose that?
Of course - being "afraid" of lose something (marketshare/support) and "thinking" they'll lose something are similar things. So I assume you mean that Apple is incorrect or over-reacting?
I'm not sure I follow the reasoning in this article. When people want more than a thin client - they'll still have the same choices they have today - Microsoft or Apple.
There is such a low profit margin on sub-$1000 desktops, that it would seem that's a good reason for Apple not to play that game, though I'm still not sure that Apple couldn't make a nice OS profit if it released purely for sub-$1000 Dell desktops (since Dell has such a high marketshare in home and small businesses).
Anyway - back to the Thin Client ideas - if the net is moving towards thin clients, then Apple has 3 markets it can approach
1) stick with their high end solutions (as above)
2) produce thin clients. Clients that look like iMacs but run Safari only.
3) produce hybrids. Simple machines that work better when online but still work offline.
Come to think of it... Google Chrome still requires a fast and sophisticated client device doesn't it?
On an AI discussion thread someone mentioned that Apple could offer a virtual DVR service for the AppleTV.
It's easy to imagine some sort of deal with Nickelodeon to stream their channels over the intenet... and it's not that interesting. A virtual DVR would actually give you the TV guide (via AppleTV), with the ability to select shows you want to record, and then after recording it would download those shows to a list of recordings on the AppleTV (recompressed into MP4 but otherwise full quality). It'd still have ads etc of course.
They could do the same on a city-by-city basis with the major FTA networks. Being a virtual DVR has advantages and disadvantages
Pros:
1) Available as software upgrade to current AppleTV
2) Can record cable channels
3) Records every channel simultaneously
4) Automatically records show overruns. In fact if you see an ad for the next show you could retrospectively 'record' it.
Cons:
5) Requires bandwidth for download
6) No live sport
7) (as per 6) Can't watch or pause Live TV
8) a PVR receives whatever is available, a virtual PVR needs servers to record for you and to recognise what regions you have rights to watch
I believe cablevision was recently permitted to offer a virtual DVR.
Sorry my mistake.. it's under opinion...
I thought it was under "reviews" yesterday...
Still - I think a nice clear "I've read the blurb and it doesn't interest me" would be useful.
“At the end of the day, it’s obvious Apple TV owners have specific needs that most of the population don’t seem to have (otherwise these things would be flying off the shelves).”
The biggest problem with this "review" (it's placed under the review section!?) is that you never actually used the AppleTV. You read the blurb and explained why you didn't want it.
I really think a review requires you to have used the product.
Hey Doug,
Interesting idea - since TiVo isn't doing well, why would Apple be able to make it work. Very good question. And you're right that the provider is supplying their own boxes which makes it harder for TiVo to provide a competitive system (but the TiVo doesn't re-compress the data it records, that's not an issue, not sure why you think it does).
I think Apple (and TiVo) could only make a PVR work in combination with other products - or if they can entirely replace the cable subscription. To replace cable you'd have to be able to record FTA and subscribe to downloads from popular cable channels (like discovery etc), as well as rent movies - though this leaves sports-lovers behind. There's no reason that Showtime couldn't charge the same monthly subscription as now but offer it via download (just this week's movies downloadable to the AppleTV, expiring in 1 month).
If Apple tried that, expect the big cable providers like Time Warner to start offering content that is exclusive to their own networks, to fight subscription loss. The battle simply changes where it focuses.
So coming back to "is the current AppleTV a good product", I still think it is, but whether you buy it depends on your needs. My parents had a new HDTV and wanted HD movies, and bought the AppleTV as a cheaper alternative to a BluRay or HD-DVD player (though it turns out they mainly like it for the photos shown as a screen saver). I have a laptop I plug into the TV and that does much more than the AppleTV (except HD), and I have a standard def DVR (HD DVRs record HDTV but are much more expensive.. a TiVo can rent HD movies from Amazon afaik).
The AppleTV has more than one issue, and they have missed a few opportunities. The HD comes at a cost, and the bandwidth is only just capable, while rental content has been too limited. Apple could have made a SD version, and allowed DivX files plus a DVR - that's what other manufacturers would have done. It would have been more complex and less good looking and may have meant the networks didn't release their TV shows on iTunes.... so many trade-offs to move to the future.
Nah - for some people cats and dogs are similar... but if you really want to play in the park with your dog, a cat will fall short in every way.
That's how I interpreted your article to a large degree. But, I do really hope we see an AppleDVR soon, I think Apple could make something amazing (far better than the current AppleTV) - and it allows them to stay with the "present" while encouraging the future.
For example:
An AppleDVR, with a good TV guide, could record any show NBC has on FTA TV. People could skip ads (or fast forward) and watch it as they please... without NBC and Apple having to cut a deal.
... However... if NBC cut a deal with Apple then they could customise the NBC experience with many possibilities. They could charge a 50c rental fee to automatically skip the ads. Or customise the ads to the viewer and show 2 ads (per ad break). They could allow ANY episode of lost to be downloaded for free and watched with custom ads (or for 50c). They might "repair" a broken recording if something went wrong or if the beginning or end was missed somehow.
No partnership with NBC results in us seeing things the old way, but with the PVR advantage. An agreement could launch NBC programs into the next generation of interactivity for both advertisers and viewers.
Other than that.. a basic PVR plus movie rentals can replace payTV for many people. That's got to be a good thing with the rates Foxtel charge here!
Hey Chris - that Sony or Panasonic PVR with greater capacity at half the price... to be a fair comparison they'd have to be high definition - are they?
Overall, if it wasn't for high def, I'd agree with much of what you're saying.
I mean - it is expensive compared with standard def players. In fact, I think Apple should have released a Standard-Def AppleTV for $100... it would have hit a different audience. Instead they paid a premium for high def h264 decoding and made it only work with widescreens... cutting off a huge number of potential customers AND more than doubling the price.
Now that h264 decoding is being built into so many BluRay players etc I hope it's time for h264 to become mainstream anyway.
ps. I also really like PVRs so I would be pleased to see the AppleTV take on that functionality.
pps. If you really want a pet dog, don't buy a pet cat. Even if they do lots of similar things.
Many good counterpoints to the article.
I think there are 2 stand-out reasons to buy an AppleTV
1) We bought a plasma - so for HD movies it was either
* buy a BluRay player, or
* buy an AppleTV
The Apple TV was cheaper and had advantages given above
2) Nearly every time you hear a report about what can be watched on the internet, it then says "but people rightly prefer to be entertained on their TVs, not their computers". The AppleTV allows this for much of our computer-based content.
I agree Telstra is charging too much, and I wish Apple could force Telcos to repackage their services.
But really, I'm just happy the iPhone is on all 3 networks. As long as there's scope to let competition discover the best packages.
Also, fortunately, the iPhone is changing people's usage AND teaching Telcos about that different type of usage.
Thanks Robomac.
I'm intrigued by what Apple might introduce, though I'd think for many users it could be "ho-hum". That's partly because I agree it's unlikely to be a single product but something more broadly across the range, which means the change might not be very expensive. If it was a single product like an AppleTV then they'd have to be making quite a loss on it for it to affect the gross margins as reported.
Yes hardware acceleration is a possibility and for the amount of time I spend encoding I'd welcome it. Other possibilities include SSDs (but I think that's too big a price jump), or some change to displays (either higher resolution plus resolution independent OSX, the new camera-integrated-LCD patented last year, or touch).
I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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